| richardwilbur[m] | I’m curious: lkcl suggested Rockchip quad-core ARM over Intel celery (Celeron) based Chromebooks. Would you expect the performance of the quad-core ARM to be better than the celery processor? Do you think there is reason to believe the performance difference would be noticeable from the user interface? | 00:26 |
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| programmerjake | idk for sure, you could look for benchmarks | 01:10 |
| programmerjake | Phoronix is a good source | 01:11 |
| richardwilbur[m] | Thanks for the tip. I’ll check there. | 01:13 |
| programmerjake | building homemade chips: https://youtu.be/IS5ycm7VfXg | 01:21 |
| lkcl | programmerjake: oooo! | 09:43 |
| Las[m] | richard.wilbur: If you're looking for a good cheap Chromebook, get the Acer Spin 513 Chromebook IMO | 09:53 |
| Las[m] | The Intel ones suck | 09:53 |
| Las[m] | They have either inferior performance or inferior battery life | 09:53 |
| Las[m] | It does support installing standard Linux, and most features work AFAIK | 09:54 |
| Las[m] | I've bought one myself but it hasn't arrived yet, so I haven't verified it myself yet | 09:54 |
| jn | according to https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-information-for-chrome-os-devices the SoC is "QC-7C". huh, never heard of that | 10:02 |
| jn | ah, qualcomm snapdragon 7c, i guess | 10:03 |
| Las[m] | Yeah it's a lot more powerful than the quite weak RK3399 AFAICT | 10:15 |
| Las[m] | I've been using an ODROID N2 as a daily driver for over a year now, and it uses an Amlogic S922X, which is double the raw compute of that, and it's not very fast. | 10:17 |
| Las[m] | So I can't imagine using the RK3399 | 10:17 |
| Las[m] | It would be fine for SSH-ing though | 10:17 |
| jn | qcom is much worse than rockchip in one thing though: openness of firmware | 10:18 |
| jn | (which some people here will prioritise) | 10:18 |
| jn | AFAIK | 10:19 |
| Las[m] | I don't completely agree | 10:19 |
| Las[m] | The GPU side is much more open than the RK3399 | 10:19 |
| Las[m] | The Panfrost driver had to be reverse engineered | 10:19 |
| Las[m] | I think Freedreno development is funded by Qualcomm | 10:20 |
| Las[m] | Though maybe I'm wrong | 10:20 |
| jn | true, qcom contributed to free GPU driver development, and ARM (for Mali) didn't | 10:21 |
| Las[m] | Actually, it seems it's changed recently: https://www.cnx-software.com/2020/09/18/arm-officially-supports-panfrost-open-source-mali-gpu-driver-development/ | 10:22 |
| jn | but my point was about all the other firmware | 10:22 |
| Las[m] | That is true yeah | 10:22 |
| jn | Oh, good news, cool! | 10:22 |
| jn | for a precise evaluation of the FOSS situation regarding boot firmware, i'd take a look at the coreboot implementation for both platforms | 10:23 |
| jn | (i haven't done this, but that's what i would do) | 10:24 |
| lkcl | Las[m], is this it? https://sciactive.com/2020/12/04/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-acer-spin-5-sp513-54n-for-the-perfect-linux-2-in-1/ | 10:26 |
| lkcl | don't think so | 10:27 |
| lkcl | ah. with a qualcom snapdragon. | 10:27 |
| jn | sometimes vendors sell almost the same device as chromebook and non-chromebook, and it's reflected in the name. not sure if Acer did it here, but i've seen it with Lenovo, i think | 10:28 |
| jn | but the chromebook and non-chromebook versions will probably have different boot firmware | 10:29 |
| Las[m] | lkcl: https://github.com/Maccraft123/Cadmium | 10:29 |
| lkcl | ooooo https://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv8/rockchip/samsung-chromebook-plus | 10:29 |
| lkcl | Las[m]: nice | 10:29 |
| Las[m] | There are also some other similar projects that try to get it running standard Linux | 10:30 |
| jn | anyway, i highly recommend the chromium.org page linked above, for navigation through the sea of chromebooks | 10:30 |
| Las[m] | I hope the new Framework company makes an ARM laptop | 10:30 |
| Las[m] | thanks for that link | 10:31 |
| lkcl | i've done embedded linux oses, it's not hard, it's just "o dear there's no intel AMI BIOS err wtfdoido" is the normal reaction / complaint | 10:31 |
| lkcl | the RK3399 is pretty damn nice. richardwilbur[m] yes the RK3399 pisses all over intel celery | 10:31 |
| lkcl | even the NEON-compiled ffmpeg is capable of doing 720p video decode, not even using the on-board accelerated VPU (!) | 10:32 |
| lkcl | ha, nicknamed kevin :) | 10:32 |
| lkcl | ahh that's the same codename as on that Cadmium page | 10:33 |
| jn | chromebook codenames are fun, and very important when looking at code | 10:33 |
| lkcl | woo, $499 though https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/chromebooks/12-14/xe513c24-k01us-xe513c24-k01us/ | 10:34 |
| lkcl | compared to $200 for an RK3288 flip-top | 10:34 |
| Las[m] | The Acer one is the same price | 10:37 |
| * lkcl got first version of svp64 sv.bc instruction working in the simulator | 11:46 | |
| Las[m] | lkcl: Do you BTW have any ETA for when the first Libre SoC real processor will be made? 2025? | 11:48 |
| lkcl | heck no, way earlier than that | 11:48 |
| lkcl | single-core crypto-router ASIC, about 8-ish months | 11:49 |
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