| mepy | Hi cesar[m]: thank you. I do not like | 11:53 |
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| mepy | Google very much. I have noticed that though. I was not aware of it but I browsed a group like "comp." something. | 11:55 |
| mepy | recently | 11:55 |
| mepy | I am sorry for the messages, I have still to get used to the keyboard. | 11:55 |
| mepy | Thank you cesar, I think I will stick with IRC for the moment. But if something nice happens there, I will give a look ;) | 11:59 |
| sorear | used to be DejaNews before google bought the service | 12:01 |
| mepy | Thank you sorear. I didn't know that. I would be interested in knowing if there is something still running there or not. Knowing there is something "different"(?) from the usual way we browse the internet (or somthing that is not internet at all), is interesting to me. | 12:01 |
| mepy | Yeah, I do not like Google. And as a conseguence, I do not like the nice thing Google has too. One cannot make a distinction. | 12:02 |
| sorear | usenet and email both used to be independent of the internet, operating over UUCP, but nowadays are always carried over tcp/ip | 12:02 |
| sorear | when you see email!addresses!like!this those are pre-SMTP | 12:03 |
| mepy | Also, I heard that if the service is very good, Google make everything to ruining it or anyway will shut it down :P ;) | 12:04 |
| mepy | Mhm nice | 12:04 |
| mepy | I think I noticed some of them in the past... | 12:05 |
| mepy | To me it is not very clear between the "protocols" and the actual hardware/software behind. | 12:06 |
| mepy | Can we communicate without the internet? (Does it make sense?) | 12:06 |
| mePy2[m] | (Exiting from this account... | 12:07 |
| mePy2[m] | I will try to use the other one as much as possible. ... | 12:07 |
| mePy2[m] | No notifications anymore for me. | 12:08 |
| sorear | a few years ago I would suggest a phone call | 12:10 |
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| mepy | Phone calls are one-to-one thing | 12:11 |
| mepy | I like them, although it has been more difficult to ...well, calling someone xD lol | 12:11 |
| sorear | they're called "party lines" :p | 12:12 |
| mepy | I do not know them! *.* | 12:12 |
| mepy | What I noticed is that it is easier to discover new people with common interests navigating a "group" (newsgroup or bbses, although I am just making suppositions) than a forum or a website, or something I am used to. | 12:14 |
| lkcl | mepy: google != newsgroups. you have conflated the two. | 12:20 |
| lkcl | that is like saying, "google is on the internet, therefore i'm not going to use the internet" | 12:21 |
| lkcl | or | 12:21 |
| lkcl | "google uses TCP/IP therefore i'm not going to use TCP/IP" | 12:21 |
| mepy | Well no... | 12:21 |
| mepy | Google is acting like a proxy(?) | 12:22 |
| mepy | there | 12:22 |
| lkcl | correct. which means you can find any other proxy. | 12:22 |
| mepy | Fortunately I can surf the interent without google ins't it? | 12:22 |
| mepy | Yep, I hope so | 12:22 |
| lkcl | not "hope so", "fact so" | 12:23 |
| lkcl | it's a bit more of a pain in the ass to set up, but it is a fact that you can do so | 12:23 |
| mepy | But what is different? Can I "access", write to "them" directly? | 12:23 |
| lkcl | there are unmoderated and there are moderated newsgroups. it is entirely at the discretion of the creators of the newsgroup. | 12:24 |
| lkcl | comp.arch is unmoderated | 12:24 |
| mepy | I mean, you can still browse a website nowadays. But this kind of things "seems to be" (I think they are) a different kind of thing | 12:24 |
| mepy | browse _an old website_* lol | 12:25 |
| mepy | Hope for your understanding | 12:25 |
| lkcl | sci.physics is moderated. | 12:25 |
| mepy | Well, ok | 12:25 |
| mepy | "Do have to type `comp.arch` in my browser url field?" lol | 12:26 |
| mepy | Do I* | 12:26 |
| lkcl | that will try to go to http://comp.arch | 12:26 |
| lkcl | try this | 12:27 |
| lkcl | https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/newsgroup-usenet-client/ennibkoenmldikkoeopfijoknilhkiab | 12:27 |
| sorear | you need a server, not just a client | 12:27 |
| sorear | unless your ISP still runs one but I think most stopped | 12:28 |
| lkcl | sorear: ah. sad. that's a pity | 12:28 |
| mepy | I do not use Chrome... is that an extension to navigate them? | 12:29 |
| mepy | Mhm interesting. I need a server. | 12:29 |
| mepy | Maybe because there is not a central server where messages are stored? | 12:29 |
| sorear | I haven't tried to use usenet since ca. 2005-2010 so I'm not sure what the public server options are these days | 12:29 |
| mepy | I read something about that, there should be a term for that I do not remember what though | 12:30 |
| sorear | every usenet server connects to other servers and copies the messages between them so that all servers for a given group end up with all of the messages | 12:30 |
| sorear | if you run a server you have to choose which groups to carry | 12:31 |
| mepy | And being them text-only it occupies so few space on the disk! Isn't it? | 12:31 |
| sorear | ha ha ha | 12:31 |
| mepy | xD | 12:31 |
| sorear | before bittorrent got big there was this thing called alt.binaries | 12:31 |
| mepy | nice nice... | 12:32 |
| sorear | got a new movie release? split it up into 37 RAR files and attach each one to a usenet post | 12:32 |
| mepy | Cool... cool | 12:32 |
| sorear | (of all pieces of proprietary software that became extremely entrenched without any obvious advantage, WinRAR is one of the most confusing) | 12:33 |
| mepy | I think text-only would suffice for chatting and community things | 12:35 |
| lkcl | mepy: https://wiki.debian.org/UseNet | 12:36 |
| mepy | Thank you | 12:41 |
| mepy | I think I should find an article about "How would you connect to a newsgroup in the past" | 12:41 |
| mepy | There is always someone who writes about historic things... | 12:42 |
| mepy | (Forgot to mention you lkcl:) | 12:43 |
| sorear | i just used slrn | 12:43 |
| sorear | even text-only high-activity mailing lists and newsgroups add up over the years | 12:45 |
| mepy | (Is the colon ) | 12:59 |
| mepy | needed when "tagging" someone? | 13:00 |
| mepy | Maybe it depends by the client... | 13:00 |
| sorear | the clients I've used in the past will beep if my nick is mentioned anywhere in the line | 13:01 |
| mepy | Mine too I think. There is a rule for that. | 13:01 |
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| mepy | Hello | 20:14 |
| mepy | I found a good newsgroup reader | 20:14 |
| mepy | Now I need a good server lol | 20:14 |
| mepy | I do not like the one I am using right now | 20:15 |
| mepy | Also the thing I really cannot understand is why many of them are empty! :,( | 21:02 |
| mepy | I would be interested in the very old discussions but it seems there are any! :/ | 21:03 |
| programmerjake[m | a lot of the servers don't keep messages older than a certain cutoff | 21:12 |
| mepy | oh! | 21:15 |
| mepy | Yes... | 21:15 |
| mepy | I thoguht I could use them to read all the nice old stuff. | 21:16 |
| mepy | Wrong assumption | 21:16 |
| mepy | Anyway, I think I do not like the fact that to post something I need to put my email :/ | 21:18 |
| mepy | It not very much private I think. Also if someone would like to do so with friends only, the post can be seen by anyone. | 21:18 |
| mepy | It really is an old thing... maybe in the past there were not many people with internet connection. Or IDK... would you write something there, leaving your email visible to everyone? | 21:19 |
| programmerjake[m | idk but you can probably use a fake email address? | 21:31 |
| mepy | maybe... | 21:45 |
| mepy | 15 min to meeting? ... | 21:45 |
| mepy | lol I received the reminder | 21:45 |
| lkcl | 10 mins | 21:52 |
| lkcl | lxo: ^ | 21:52 |
| lxo | *nod*, thanks, already preparing to call in | 21:57 |
| lxo | huh, 404 Not Found?!? | 21:59 |
| lxo | reload is the internet's "did you try to power it off and on again?" | 21:59 |
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| lxo | a ÇPU is a CPU with a cedilla, whatever that means | 23:51 |
| programmerjake[m | I put some crazier ideas down in the email... | 23:55 |
| programmerjake[m | hope they don't just show up as the missing character box | 23:55 |
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