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| lkcl | markos_, it's precisely what coriolis2 has already been doing for decades :) | 09:01 |
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| lkcl | ghostmansd[m] - someone bothered to tell it like it is and explain the consequences of lack of thought. awesome :) | 09:03 |
| lkcl | > Why in the hell does musl duplicate/change(!) internal structures from Linux kernel headers | 09:03 |
| lkcl | ow, ow... | 09:03 |
| programmerjake | i just thought of one sorta good reason to duplicate linux kernel headers -- when you're building on a system with old kernel headers but you want libc to still work on modern linux and to be able to use new features... | 09:07 |
| programmerjake | admittedly it would be easier to just download newer kernel headers and put them in a non-conflicting directory | 09:08 |
| programmerjake | lkcl: sorry for the terse response, bugzilla ate my in-progress reply, so i had to rewrite it | 09:47 |
| programmerjake | (i think i clicked refresh by accident or something) | 09:47 |
| sadoon[m] | <markos_> "hm, I have a spare large 120mm..." <- That might be too large | 10:45 |
| sadoon[m] | Try to find a thin <100mm fan | 10:45 |
| sadoon[m] | <lkcl> "> Why in the hell does musl..." <- Ow indeed | 10:46 |
| sadoon[m] | Hope they fix these issues because musl is otherwise looking promising | 10:46 |
| markos_ | for now I'm trying to figure out wtf it does not want to boot from the usb stick, I know it can detect it in the petitboot menu, I even try to force it to boot from it | 10:46 |
| markos_ | I did install just one of the original fans and cpu temperature dropped to 47C | 10:47 |
| sadoon[m] | That's still too loud :( | 10:47 |
| sadoon[m] | I tried that | 10:47 |
| markos_ | ofc it's still too noisy, but I'm hoping that when it boots into the kernel it will drop | 10:47 |
| sadoon[m] | My solution is whisper quiet so I highly recommend it, 82c max isn't bad | 10:48 |
| markos_ | 82C is too much, I have a couple of intel systems next, one is 40C the other is 70C -because of too many hdds in the latter | 10:48 |
| markos_ | and not as good airflow | 10:48 |
| markos_ | and the talos is never more than 60C | 10:48 |
| sadoon[m] | These chips can take it | 10:48 |
| markos_ | on its own yes | 10:49 |
| markos_ | but if it's surrounded on the rack with other hot systems | 10:49 |
| sadoon[m] | I have a bunch of hard drives too keep in mind | 10:49 |
| sadoon[m] | markos_: So is mine :D | 10:49 |
| markos_ | I don't want to damage it, it's hard to find a replacement | 10:49 |
| sadoon[m] | Talos, Dell dual xeon, my own dual xeon | 10:49 |
| markos_ | right so similar setup | 10:49 |
| sadoon[m] | yep | 10:49 |
| markos_ | I'll still play a bit with this, I'm only doing stuff with it for a couple of hours as I have to do other stuff as well | 10:50 |
| sadoon[m] | Whatever you do, install s-tui and keep the HDDs running, then stress test it to see if the temps become unreasonable | 10:50 |
| sadoon[m] | If you can find a fan that properly mounts on that heatsink (probably 60mm?) Then you'll get cooler temps than me | 10:51 |
| sadoon[m] | Mine is 92 I believe so I mounted it in a weird non direct way but still cools well | 10:52 |
| markos_ | lol | 11:22 |
| markos_ | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1026857 | 11:22 |
| markos_ | I had to make an extra entry in petitboot to load the installer | 11:22 |
| markos_ | it boots the kernel, does not detect the installation media though | 11:24 |
| markos_ | no it does, took its time though | 11:25 |
| sadoon[m] | Ah nice | 11:27 |
| sadoon[m] | I remember debian 11 being fine with that | 11:27 |
| sadoon[m] | Or I could have installed debian 11 via dd who knows xD | 11:27 |
| markos_ | installing now, finally | 11:30 |
| lkcl | programmerjake, doh :) | 11:35 |
| lkcl | i've had that happen - feel free to edit as it's rare for other people to read the bugzilla mail (i know you do - almost nobody else does as it's far too inconvenient) | 11:36 |
| lkcl | sadoon[m], well it _did_ look promising until the developers clearly indicated that they're hopelessly out of their depth, knowledge, skill-set and empathy for end-users. | 11:38 |
| lkcl | but that "shock to the system" message might just give them the massive well-informed kick-up-the-backside. | 11:38 |
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| lkcl | it will be interesting to see if they actually listen. https://www.crnhq.org/cr-kit/#empathy | 11:39 |
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| lkcl | this is becoming a massive (endemic) very serious problem in FOSS. | 11:40 |
| lkcl | the number of times i've seen "i don't see why that's a problem, it's fine for me" i have literally lost count | 11:41 |
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| lkcl | sadoon[m], at that temperature don't for god's sake ever switch it off. | 14:28 |
| lkcl | you'll need to *keep* it operating at that temperature, permanently. | 14:28 |
| lkcl | otherwise the change in temperature will, over time, cause the ceramic casing and the silicon die itself to develop hairline cracks, due to incompatible expansion coefficients. | 14:29 |
| sadoon[m] | Ah thanks for the heads up | 14:30 |
| sadoon[m] | Good thing it's on 24/7 | 14:30 |
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| programmerjake | I think I'll leave the bugzilla comment as-is because it's just verbose enough to get the important points across and it references the spec pdf which has the long version | 18:09 |
| programmerjake | meeting in 10min | 19:50 |
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