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| ghostmansd[m] | Hi folks, yesterday I finally became a dad for the second time! | 06:20 |
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| ghostmansd[m] | Sorry, I didn't manage to participate in the meeting, but the absence reason is respectful :-) | 06:21 |
| programmerjake | congrats! | 06:26 |
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| octavius | Congrats ghostman[m], great to hear :) | 11:39 |
| octavius | oops ghostmansd[m] | 11:39 |
| markos_ | ghostmansd[m], congratulations! | 11:52 |
| sadoon[m] | Congrats ghostmansd[m] !! :D | 12:20 |
| sadoon[m] | <lkcl> "sadoon, yes, the ppc emulation..." <- Not much harm, it does mean we have to patch qemu but I have an incremental plan we can discuss tonight so that a- things don't take too long and b- we can start testing ASAP | 12:21 |
| sadoon[m] | The short version is to use qemu-user-static to chroot, patched with whatever needs to be done to disable or (this might be easier) print an error on any instruction not valid for sffs | 12:22 |
| sadoon[m] | It means we can never emulate a full running system but should be more than enough to test sffs compliance in user-space | 12:23 |
| sadoon[m] | Because making the kernel boot without VSX and AltiVec is more difficult than toggling them | 12:23 |
| lkcl | ghostmansd[m], wha-heeey! :) | 13:59 |
| lkcl | sadoon[m], ahhh yeah that would work well, and yes the userspace is the important bit here. we *know* the kernel can be built (microwatt 5.7 by joel shenki) | 14:00 |
| lkcl | btw do look up this discussion and put the link into the bugreport | 14:01 |
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| lkcl | ghostmansd[m], we'll take care of the MoU for Ongoing NLnet tonight | 14:25 |
| sadoon[m] | <lkcl> "btw do look up this discussion..." <- Will do now | 14:32 |
| sadoon[m] | re: The 5.7 microwatt kernel, I can look into that afterwards because it will be immensely useful later | 14:33 |
| lkcl | it's on the bugreport - i leave it with you to take care of the project management and tracking for audit purposes (strong hint: without which i'm not signing-off on the RFPs!) | 14:41 |
| sadoon[m] | Don't worry about it | 14:42 |
| octavius | sadoon[m], I was looking over IRC logs and managed to find several conversations about your sffs porting. May I link them in bug 999 for you? | 14:48 |
| sadoon[m] | Sure would greatly appreciate it :D | 14:48 |
| sadoon[m] | Linked today's chatlog, made some typo fixes, and now creating the subtasks | 14:49 |
| sadoon[m] | I still enjoy that it's task 999 | 14:53 |
| octavius | Great. I've also posted the chats. Found some chats from my ls2 verilator work I need to link to bug 1086 as well. Thanks lkcl, sadoon[m] for encouraging me to do a cleanup :) | 14:53 |
| octavius | Indeed, nice number | 14:53 |
| sadoon[m] | :) | 14:53 |
| sadoon[m] | I think we should break it into 3 subtasks in this heirarchy (typo unintended) | 14:59 |
| sadoon[m] | 1- task 999 (sffs porting) | 15:00 |
| sadoon[m] | a- task 1128 (qemu-user patch for testing) | 15:00 |
| sadoon[m] | a1- task x (qemu-system + linux-microwatt-5.7) | 15:00 |
| sadoon[m] | b- task x (wiki pages for gentoo and debian reproduction) | 15:00 |
| sadoon[m] | Aww it didn't indent them, you get the point though :P | 15:00 |
| sadoon[m] | I could feasibly merge b into 1 if it seems unnecessary | 15:01 |
| sadoon[m] | I didn't assign 1128 to a milestone since I presume it's going under this year's right? | 15:02 |
| octavius | It's probably better to have separate a and b tasks | 15:04 |
| octavius | because b may become pretty substantial (and should have its own budget at least0 | 15:04 |
| octavius | s/0/) | 15:04 |
| sadoon[m] | I don't think it will be too difficult, probably two days if I don't do anything else | 15:06 |
| sadoon[m] | Unless debian proves too difficult to port with.. normal means | 15:07 |
| octavius | It's not like we're going to run out of bugs any time soon, may as well split them | 15:07 |
| sadoon[m] | Like I said gentoo is already done, I'm considering uploading the rootfs and config files tonight | 15:07 |
| octavius | nice! | 15:08 |
| sadoon[m] | When I say config files | 15:08 |
| sadoon[m] | It's one file xD | 15:08 |
| sadoon[m] | But it took weeks to get right so | 15:08 |
| sadoon[m] | A total of 141 packages are necessary for a debian chroot to run, with about 30 packages built for all archs. Another reason why I think mini-buildd will bring more headaches than we need right now, manual scripted building should be 100% fine and take less than two days once I get the build flags sorted | 15:34 |
| markos_ | a trick I used long ago is to have the builder use the gentoo chroot to build the initial packages | 15:42 |
| markos_ | once the main set of packages was built, I replaced the gentoo chroot with the actual debian chroot and rebuilt everything | 15:43 |
| sadoon[m] | That would be useful if we were doing a cross build, I'm very thankful that's not necessary since it's still power9 :) | 15:43 |
| markos_ | but indeed, mini-buildd assumes a proper debian environment I think you're better off doing it manually for the first set of packages | 15:44 |
| sadoon[m] | crap, need to reboot because I had /tmp on noexec, need it for a bit | 15:44 |
| markos_ | mini-buildd can be used later | 15:44 |
| sadoon[m] | Yeah definitely should use mini-buildd once we need the full debian repo | 15:44 |
| sadoon[m] | The chroot packages along with a few useful utilities should be enough for now | 15:44 |
| sadoon[m] | brb | 15:44 |
| sadoon[m] | Back, that was one long reboot | 16:00 |
| sadoon[m] | Nice to see the debian team redoing their sbuild wiki page, it now includes automated ccache, eatmydata, and package mirroring :D | 17:06 |
| sadoon[m] | no need for manual setup | 17:06 |
| sadoon[m] | lkcl so should I rewrite task 1128 so that it is only objdumping? I was under the impression this task had separate funding at first | 17:10 |
| sadoon[m] | And then create an independant task for qemu stuff | 17:10 |
| sadoon[m] | successfully forced sbuild to respect CFLAGs | 18:12 |
| sadoon[m] | Doing a tiny test with hello.deb to see if things are looking ok | 18:19 |
| sadoon[m] | Aha! this looks like VSX no? lxvd2x vs33,r29,r10 | 18:22 |
| sadoon[m] | WHOO | 18:22 |
| sadoon[m] | A simple comparison showed that with the correct flags, no VSX instructions are there | 18:23 |
| sadoon[m] | I'll stop for today, huge progress | 18:25 |
| programmerjake | one thing to watch out for is vsx/vmx code that won't get used because it checks for cpu capabilities before trying to run it | 18:30 |
| programmerjake | in particular glibc is likely to have code like that | 18:31 |
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| octavius | lkcl, I created a new bug for tracking the overall tasks I've been working on for ls, bug #1129. Although there is already bug #1037, I figured it's better to keep it more general | 19:26 |
| octavius | s/ls/ls2 | 19:27 |
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| ghostmansd[m] | Sorry folks, I was extremely busy for the recent days. I might be 5-10 mins late for meeting, still finishing the preparations for the tomorrow day when wife and kid go out of perinatal house. | 19:34 |
| ghostmansd[m] | Thanks for congratulations! I couldn't reply to them yesterday, so much calls and tasks... | 19:34 |
| sadoon[m] | <programmerjake> "in particular glibc is likely to..." <- Oh yeah and I expect things like nss and ffmpeg to also have them | 19:43 |
| sadoon[m] | But I don't think we'll be using ffmpeg for a while now lol | 19:43 |
| sadoon[m] | perhaps nss for some stuff | 19:43 |
| sadoon[m] | I can't hear anyone in the meeting | 20:02 |
| octavius | lkcl, meeting | 20:03 |
| sadoon[m] | Tried different browsers and the app | 20:04 |
| octavius | Another try sadoon[m]? | 20:12 |
| toshywoshy | sadoon: can you try one more time | 20:12 |
| toshywoshy | use firefox, that should work | 20:12 |
| sadoon[m] | ok downloading firefox on my phone | 20:12 |
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| programmerjake | lkcl: what do you think about skipping 0 budget tasks in json? feel free to respond later | 21:27 |
| programmerjake | i copied the description changes from #1026 to #961, i'll rerun budget sync after checking the rest of the descriptions are synced | 22:04 |
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| programmerjake | some of the bug's comment #0 is very clearly not intended to go in the MOU, so I only copied some of them to the MOU. lkcl, please check #1026 when you have time. I'll generate the json now | 22:20 |
| programmerjake | in the future it'd be nice to have comment #0 match what's in the MOU, so it's much easier to keep them in sync | 22:21 |
| programmerjake | so, please keep that in mind for future nlnet grants | 22:21 |
| programmerjake | comment #0 of all the top-level subtasks | 22:22 |
| programmerjake | yes, budget-sync can be optimized, it's sending one https request per bug when requesting comments, probably because luke wasn't thinking about that when he wrote that part | 22:45 |
| programmerjake | the part I wrote groups them into 100 bugs per request | 22:45 |
| programmerjake | for now, I added a print() for each JSON file written, so it acts as a sort of progress bar, can do additional work on budget-sync later | 22:47 |
| programmerjake | lkcl: i attached the json as requested, since I attempted to sync the top comment with the other tasks, it needs to be checked before submitting to nlnet | 22:54 |
| programmerjake | the mou needs to be checked, not the json | 22:54 |
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