| lkcl | sadoon[m], do keep messages short when sending from matrix to irc, we received this: | 00:34 |
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| lkcl | sadoon[m]> <lkcl> "that's grounds for a lawsuit :)" <- I don't claim to fully understand the situation yet but one thing I'm sure of:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/10c8d8fe08831bcf1c6dfe7b7d66b1f904044c04>) | 00:35 |
| lkcl | if i go to that URL it says: | 00:35 |
| lkcl | <lkcl> "that's grounds for a lawsuit :)" <- I don't claim to fully understand the situation yet but one thing I'm sure of: | 00:35 |
| lkcl | Corporations are ever so inclined to increase "growth" as opposed to sustaining a certain goalpost of revenue. | 00:35 |
| lkcl | In a perfect world, making exactly $10m a year for example would be great if you spend say 7 of them on employee salaries, infrastructure etc | 00:35 |
| lkcl | But with inflation being the way it is, and increasing greatly in recent years, they practically need to grow to stay in business. | 00:35 |
| lkcl | It'd be naive to believe this whole thing is due to inflation and not greed, and idk what the proper solution to satisfy their bottom lines as well as their customers would have been. | 00:35 |
| lkcl | :) | 00:36 |
| lkcl | programmerjake, ack - i was thinking in terms of "some sort of hint" | 00:37 |
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| lkcl | markos_, perhaps it might be helpful to read about Snitch and EXTRA-V. | 00:38 |
| lkcl | they are both linked here https://libre-soc.org/openpower/sv/SimpleV_rationale/ | 00:39 |
| lkcl | the reason i mention them is because the insertion of FIFOs between Load and Tagged-Registers is a means of completely bypassing all caches | 00:40 |
| lkcl | yet keeping ALUs so completely occupied 100% that for Snitch they actually had to do a barrel-processor (time-division multiplexing) to slow things down. | 00:40 |
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| sadoon[m] | <lkcl> "sadoon> <lkcl> "that's grounds..." <- Ah matrix bridge being funky | 03:13 |
| sadoon[m] | Some people are claiming that this whole ordeal is a nothingburger | 03:15 |
| sadoon[m] | They claim that by pointing to the gitlab repo other projects can still access the code as they did before, the only thing off limits is security fixes that are under embargo and given to paying customers. | 03:15 |
| sadoon[m] | It doesn't help clear up anything lol | 03:15 |
| programmerjake | yeah, matrix will convert more than 3 lines of text in a message to a link on irc, i tried changing that setting but idk if it ever worked | 03:19 |
| sadoon[m] | https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/CUFOHQNML45N54SG5RCKQLHEYYXXUAO5/ | 03:31 |
| lkcl | sadoon[m], they're attempting to "Do An Oracle(tm)" | 03:38 |
| lkcl | the only way that they get that right is if they own the copyright on the *FULL* source code of the entire package being distributed as a "fix" | 03:39 |
| lkcl | not just the patch, but the entire replacement package | 03:40 |
| lkcl | that means they'd better not have any paying customers who own the copyright or are a copyright holder on any package that is part of the "security patched" set | 03:56 |
| sadoon[m] | Apparently they could just terminate your contract if you publish the source code that you paid for to third parties who are not paying for the license | 04:00 |
| sadoon[m] | Which I guess is fine legally? You violate contract > we stop doing business with you | 04:01 |
| sadoon[m] | But then RHEL clones could technically pay for the license, automate a way to find out which exact sources in stream match RHEL, and build those | 04:03 |
| sadoon[m] | No violation of contract, things go as they were, and the only change seems to be that RH has the right to terminate contracts if they catch customers publishing the raw source code / binaries | 04:06 |
| sadoon[m] | It's still all muddy so idk | 04:06 |
| sadoon[m] | They desperately need to do a Q&A or a good explanation so things are all clear | 04:06 |
| lkcl | oh hell. if the customers distribute the binaries e.g. to *their* customers - and *their* customers demand the source code and refuse to agree to sign a "secrecy" agreement - then it's *really* a serious problem | 04:12 |
| lkcl | because the RHEL customer is then placed in an impossible situation | 04:12 |
| lkcl | take for example a company that provides POS (Point-of-Sale) systems using RHEL | 04:12 |
| lkcl | they push out the security updates to their customers (stores across the world) | 04:13 |
| lkcl | and one of the stores goes, "hang on a minute, i have the right to request the full source code - *and distribute it* - under the GPL License" | 04:13 |
| lkcl | they then make that request, and the RHEL customer (selling the POS systems) says, "i'm terribly sorry but we can only give you the source code if you agree not to distribute it" | 04:15 |
| lkcl | then they're absolutely f****d, they have to Cease and Desist all distribution and use, because they - the *RHEL* customer - are in violation of the GPL. | 04:16 |
| sadoon[m] | And then there's the comments on this article which suggest none of what we discussed is relevant | 04:18 |
| sadoon[m] | https://lwn.net/Articles/936127/ | 04:18 |
| sadoon[m] | Uuugggh | 04:18 |
| sadoon[m] | Specifically this one | 04:20 |
| sadoon[m] | https://lwn.net/Articles/936138/ | 04:20 |
| lkcl | ok so it *was* a restriction (in direct violation of the GPL) and has since been removed after they received a notice to their Legal Counsel | 05:03 |
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| ghostmansd[m] | lkcl, I need your conclusion on 1094 | 11:52 |
| ghostmansd[m] | Could you please check the latest comment? | 11:53 |
| lkcl | ghostmansd[m], ack | 13:02 |
| lkcl | yes looks great to me. that was a frickin lot of work | 13:02 |
| ghostmansd[m] | Also, if there're some grants which can be approved, this would be great. | 13:03 |
| ghostmansd[m] | We're kinda in the beginning of civil war here, it seems. | 13:03 |
| lkcl | done - i already emailed you (a few days ago)? | 13:56 |
| lkcl | 1 sec, i sent you the secret url... | 13:56 |
| lkcl | sorry i'm installing a laptop for a new contractor, and we're meeting them very soon | 13:57 |
| * lkcl rushed. heh | 13:57 | |
| lkcl | ghostmansd[m], gmail - subject "2022-08-051 secret URL for FRPs" | 13:58 |
| lkcl | should have been RFPs (doh) | 13:58 |
| lkcl | i still have the "Ongoing" one to do | 13:58 |
| lkcl | https://libre-soc.org/task_db/mdwn/ghostmansd/ | 13:59 |
| ghostmansd[m] | Ok, thank you! | 13:59 |
| ghostmansd[m] | I'm not sure which ones I can submit, some were ongoing. | 13:59 |
| lkcl | ok https://bugs.libre-soc.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1063 | 13:59 |
| ghostmansd[m] | Could you please take a look at them later when you have time? | 13:59 |
| lkcl | that one you can put in (it's completed) | 13:59 |
| ghostmansd[m] | Aha, got it | 13:59 |
| lkcl | drat, that's the only one for now | 14:00 |
| ghostmansd[m] | Ah OK :-) | 14:00 |
| lkcl | i couldn't put in a ton more than i was expecting either | 14:01 |
| ghostmansd[m] | Do you have any estimations on the ongoing part? | 14:01 |
| ghostmansd[m] | Maybe I'll file these together | 14:01 |
| ghostmansd[m] | If there still will be an internet :-D | 14:02 |
| ghostmansd[m] | Sorry folks, dark humour | 14:02 |
| lkcl | it maaay not need review, but i'd be happier if it did | 14:02 |
| lkcl | hey you got a starlink, right? :) | 14:02 |
| lkcl | but joking aside: now you know why i insisted on self-hosting | 14:03 |
| lkcl | "oh let's get github let's get github" | 14:03 |
| lkcl | ehmmmm no | 14:03 |
| lkcl | if you get really stuck you can always do "git format-patch" and mail them - somehow | 14:03 |
| lkcl | hell, even put them on a USB stick and send by carrier pigeon | 14:04 |
| ghostmansd[m] | Yep, that'd help :-) | 14:04 |
| ghostmansd[m] | Oh I like the latter | 14:04 |
| lkcl | :) | 14:04 |
| lkcl | https://spectrum.ieee.org/carrier-pigeon-beats-internet- | 14:04 |
| lkcl | there was a guy who was so fed up with his ISP he sent data by USB-stick on a carrier pigeon. | 14:05 |
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| sadoon[m] | Bad news, my Tyan server seems broken.. | 15:39 |
| sadoon[m] | I ordered the exact model of RAM on the vendor's list, still no VGA or serial output | 15:40 |
| markos_ | maybe it needs some kind of reflashing? | 15:45 |
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| sadoon[m] | Yeah that's the last thing I'll try, trying IPMI now | 16:21 |
| sadoon[m] | It's been a pain to say the least, not sure if worth all this trouble lol | 16:22 |
| sadoon[m] | It's only getting an ipv6 address.. Ugh | 16:22 |
| lkcl | of course it's worth it! :) | 16:22 |
| * lkcl got a new phone for work | 16:23 | |
| lkcl | (for RED Semi) | 16:23 |
| lkcl | it's called (ha ha) the RED Magic 7 Pro | 16:23 |
| sadoon[m] | Cool :) | 16:23 |
| lkcl | first thing i'm doing is rooting it | 16:23 |
| lkcl | *16* GB of RAM (!!) | 16:23 |
| * sadoon[m] cries inside | 16:23 | |
| sadoon[m] | So no luck with IPMI, time to reflash | 16:24 |
| sadoon[m] | Confusingly there are two BMC flash chips, one is golden and the other is main | 16:25 |
| sadoon[m] | Idk what's the difference | 16:25 |
| sadoon[m] | Time to pull out datasheets and get cables running.. | 16:27 |
| sadoon[m] | Hmm. A CMOS reset button, might be handy | 16:35 |
| sadoon[m] | Oh fuck yes I got output | 16:41 |
| sadoon[m] | Excuse my french | 16:41 |
| sadoon[m] | If all it needed was a CMOS reset I am going to luagh so hard | 16:42 |
| sadoon[m] | Alright, got serial output, finally. | 16:44 |
| lkcl | hooraaay! | 16:44 |
| sadoon[m] | The error is no sufficient hardware to boot, it's not reading my DIMM | 16:44 |
| lkcl | at least you got some debug info now | 16:44 |
| lkcl | how many DIMMs? | 16:44 |
| sadoon[m] | Exactly, RAM is cheap especially DDR3 | 16:45 |
| sadoon[m] | Very strange since the exact RAM stick is on their AVL | 16:53 |
| sadoon[m] | I'll try different slots later when I'm free | 16:54 |
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| lkcl | urrr.... you maay have manufacturing tolerances to contend with... | 17:23 |
| lkcl | different slots is a good idea | 17:23 |
| sadoon[m] | Yeah, I have about an hour to test now, wish me luck :) | 17:27 |
| sadoon[m] | Instead of ordering new RAM from Amazon or eBay I might take my server to a used server part shop I found and test whatever RAM he has before buying it | 17:27 |
| sadoon[m] | After all, even if mine works it's only 16GB | 17:28 |
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| lkcl | haha sensible | 18:09 |
| ghostmansd[m] | Ok, looks like civil war is frozen for a while | 20:19 |
| ghostmansd[m] | Good news | 20:19 |
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