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| ghostmansd[m] | lkcl, so, if there's nothing wrong, we all should submit RFPs, right? :-) | 07:50 |
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| ghostmansd[m] | Could you send the top-secret link, please? | 07:50 |
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| toshywoshy | am I not awake enough or is Libre-SOC missing from the NGI pointer overview | 10:19 |
| octavius | What an exciting event :) | 11:38 |
| markos | what event? | 11:58 |
| octavius | ngi pointer had a presentation this morning. Apologies, not sure if it was public or not | 12:23 |
| octavius | https://pointer.ngi.eu/ | 12:24 |
| octavius | All the projects are open-source though, was interesting to hear their progress | 12:25 |
| markos | ah ok, no need to apologize, not sure I would be able to watch it anyway, lack of time, etc | 12:28 |
| markos | but nice to know there was one | 12:29 |
| markos | but why was LibreSOC missing? | 12:29 |
| octavius | Toshaan meant that Libre-SOC didn't give a presentation. There were already 6 projects represented (and a few more described in chat). Time ran by pretty quick too. | 12:38 |
| markos | ok | 12:53 |
| toshywoshy | no, I meant I did not see our logo on the list | 12:53 |
| octavius | Ah sorry, thought you meant presentation | 13:18 |
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| lkcl | ghostmansd[m], the next phase is for the budget-sync program to be run to create the JSON file that needs to be emailed directly to Michiel and the team at NLnet | 16:48 |
| lkcl | that JSON file contains the "back-end format" of the milestones that are DIRECTLY listed in the NLnet RFP system | 16:48 |
| lkcl | without that (complete, full) list of tasks pre-loaded into the NLnet RFP web server database, you as an MoU Signatory will be presented with NOTHING. | 16:49 |
| ghostmansd[m] | lkcl, do you mean 967..968 tasks? | 16:50 |
| lkcl | markos, you were not a signatory to the NGI POINTER Sub-Grant Agreement therefore you were not invited to the (private) event | 16:50 |
| lkcl | octavius was not aware of this | 16:50 |
| lkcl | ghostmansd[m], no, the JSON file has to contain *all* the tasks - and sub-tasks - for the entire #589 MoU. | 16:50 |
| lkcl | the JSON files are presently created but they do not contain the "comments" (needed by NLnet) | 16:52 |
| lkcl | if you want to have a look at what the JSON files should contain, run this: | 16:52 |
| lkcl | nohup budget-sync -c budget-sync-config.toml -o mdwn --comments | 16:52 |
| lkcl | then have a look at the contents of the file named: | 16:52 |
| lkcl | mdwn/report.NLnet.2021.02A.052.CryptoRouter.json | 16:52 |
| lkcl | that is the file that needs emailing to michiel | 16:53 |
| ghostmansd[m] | "Have a look at the contents" — I assume this needs careful inspection. What parts of it should I consider before even bothering Michiel? | 16:57 |
| ghostmansd[m] | What should be the subject? Who, besides you and Michiel, should be added? | 16:57 |
| ghostmansd[m] | This would have been great if we had docs on this besides this IRC chat. | 16:57 |
| ghostmansd[m] | Luke, you want me to participate in management activities. This is OK, but I don't want to fuck the things up. My point is, it'd be great if we have some explicit and documented way to make it work. | 16:59 |
| ghostmansd[m] | I still don't even understand why 966..968 are OK, despite that my nohup.out had some bitching claims about the budgets. | 17:00 |
| ghostmansd[m] | And, obviously, this clearly shows that I will do something wrong, because I don't understand how this stuff works. | 17:01 |
| markos | lkcl, it's ok I understand | 18:11 |
| markos | lkcl, ghostmansd[m] I think we should do a brainstorming session with the sole goal to split tasks/budgets | 19:00 |
| markos | I also agree that it's risky for us to undertake budgeting and administrative tasks | 19:01 |
| markos | we can't just put numbers in bugzilla and hope they "work" | 19:02 |
| markos | for that matter we have to do time estimates for each task | 19:02 |
| markos | because the previous ones were lacking in that to put it mildly, at least the media codec ones, as it turned out, I'll explain myself: mp3 dct was 750eur, but av1 was 3k, but in fact the mp3 dct was/is *significantly* more complicated to implement rather than the function chosen for av1 | 19:06 |
| markos | not only that, but many instructions were missing even and it became possible to write these functions only late in the game | 19:07 |
| markos | I understant that a lot of this knowledge was not available at that time, but now we know better | 19:08 |
| lkcl | ghostmansd[m], ah - i know what's happened: did you *delete* the nohup.out file before running the command? | 19:45 |
| lkcl | because nohup performs an *append* to the file, it is not like the "script" command which *truncates* the file named "typescript". | 19:46 |
| lkcl | so you are likely seeing an old (former) run, not realising it is "appended" with the newer (completely ok) results, looking *only* at the first line and going "huhn??" | 19:46 |
| lkcl | ok i'm looking at the online version, here | 19:48 |
| lkcl | https://libre-soc.org/task_db/report/ | 19:48 |
| lkcl | NLnet.2021.02A.052.CryptoRouter 589 | 19:48 |
| lkcl | bug # 589 budget 50000 excltasks 0 s,p 1300 | 19:48 |
| lkcl | that's very very sparse. only a fraction is allocated to sub-tasks | 19:48 |
| lkcl | meaning, | 19:48 |
| lkcl | we will have to submit this JSON file once | 19:49 |
| lkcl | then submit it again when new sub-tasks are added | 19:49 |
| lkcl | then submit it again when new sub-tasks are added | 19:49 |
| lkcl | then submit it again when new sub-tasks are added | 19:49 |
| lkcl | then submit it again when new sub-tasks are added | 19:49 |
| lkcl | then submit it again when new sub-tasks are added | 19:49 |
| lkcl | then submit it again when new sub-tasks are added | 19:49 |
| lkcl | you get the idea | 19:49 |
| lkcl | i have to talk to Michiel about this | 19:49 |
| lkcl | because clearly it's not really going to work | 19:49 |
| lkcl | but right now it is the best we have got | 19:50 |
| lkcl | i will email you privately the email that needs to be cc'd | 19:51 |
| lkcl | markos, i've been doing this for 2+ years perfectly fine! | 19:51 |
| lkcl | it is a heuristic that has many methods of "compensating for" | 19:52 |
| lkcl | such as putting a much larger budget for a lot less work to someone for a completely different task | 19:52 |
| lkcl | or even giving them some money for a task that they did not actually do (because this is all donations anyway) | 19:52 |
| lkcl | but yes, the Video Grant was the one that was designed the absolute worst, by way of an experiment | 19:53 |
| lkcl | and also it was designed with lauri as the main contributor in mind | 19:53 |
| lkcl | and, mp3 was literally the first we tried, when there weren't even any FP operations in ISACaller! | 19:54 |
| lkcl | i had to scramble non-stop for several days to get the instructions in, in real-time, as lauri was trying to use them | 19:55 |
| lkcl | it is similar to what you experienced, with wanting to do DCT in integer (no integer butterfly instruction) but far more pressured because there was *nothing* | 19:56 |
| lkcl | not even any infrastructure to *make* FP operations in ISACaller. | 19:56 |
| lkcl | from that experience, the lesson is learned, really, that the person writing the assembler really has to be the one that "down tools" on that task and actually adds the missing instruction(s) *themselves* | 19:58 |
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| markos | well, we did what we could with the time we had available, but now we know better, so we should plan better | 22:09 |
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